# 429 Rate Limit Exceeded when creating orders

**URL:** <https://forum.alpaca.markets/t/429-rate-limit-exceeded-when-creating-orders/14120>\
**Category:** Alpaca Trading\
**Created:** [April 30, 2024, 8:18pm UTC](https://forum.alpaca.markets/t/429-rate-limit-exceeded-when-creating-orders/14120 "2024-04-30T20:18:44Z")\
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**Author:** ![PatL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6de8d8/32.png) [@PatL](https://forum.alpaca.markets/u/PatL)\
**Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 8:18pm UTC](https://forum.alpaca.markets/t/429-rate-limit-exceeded-when-creating-orders/14120/1 "2024-04-30T20:18:44Z")

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Hi, today I tested a new way to create orders via async http post, so I don’t have to wait for previous http response in order to create the next order (which is really important because the round-trip time is ~500ms between alpaca and my server).

However, I quickly received 429 {“code”: “42910000”, “message”: “rate limit exceeded”} error. which isn’t documented anywhere.

Could you please clarify the rate limit on create orders (/v2/orders) API? I could still consider alpaca API if that limit isn’t too restrictive.

(I’m a old user of paid alpaca plan, really hope I can continue using it to trade)

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**Author:** ![PatL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6de8d8/32.png) [@PatL](https://forum.alpaca.markets/u/PatL)\
**Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://forum.alpaca.markets/t/429-rate-limit-exceeded-when-creating-orders/14120/2 "2024-04-30T20:32:20Z")

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Saw another post. Seems there is 200 requests / minute limit. Which is pretty restrictive. I wonder if paid user can increase this limit to support trading large universe (like 1000 stocks). Thank you.

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**Author:** ![Justin\_Coffi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.alpaca.markets/justin_coffi/32/4254_2.png) [@Justin\_Coffi](https://forum.alpaca.markets/u/Justin_Coffi)\
**Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 8:40pm UTC](https://forum.alpaca.markets/t/429-rate-limit-exceeded-when-creating-orders/14120/3 "2024-05-01T20:40:32Z")

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I’m a paid “Unlimited” user and I also have this limit now. So either I have it by mistake, or it applies to all paid users.

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**Author:** ![Dan\_Whitnable\_Alpaca](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.alpaca.markets/dan_whitnable_alpaca/32/1658_2.png) [@Dan\_Whitnable\_Alpaca](https://forum.alpaca.markets/u/Dan_Whitnable_Alpaca)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 9:50am UTC](https://forum.alpaca.markets/t/429-rate-limit-exceeded-when-creating-orders/14120/4 "2024-05-02T09:50:22Z")

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@Justin_Coffi @PatL The Trading APIs (eg submit\_order, get\_account, etc) all have a rate limit of 200 calls/min. This is independent, and completely separate from, the Market Data APIs (eg get\_bars, get\_quotes, etc) which have a default rate limit of 200 calls/min but is increased to 10,000 calls/min if subscribed to a paid market data subscription. A paid market data subscription does not increase the rate limit for the Trading APIs, only the market data calls.

The 200 call/min rate should be adequate for most applications. Alpaca has many accounts trading tens of thousands of orders a day with this same restriction. About 150 orders can very realistically be placed every minute.