# 403 for paper trading

**URL:** <https://forum.alpaca.markets/t/403-for-paper-trading/14118>\
**Category:** Getting Started with Alpaca\
**Created:** [April 30, 2024, 7:43pm UTC](https://forum.alpaca.markets/t/403-for-paper-trading/14118 "2024-04-30T19:43:09Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![Lazaro\_Armando](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.alpaca.markets/lazaro_armando/32/6074_2.png) [@Lazaro\_Armando](https://forum.alpaca.markets/u/Lazaro_Armando)\
**Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 7:43pm UTC](https://forum.alpaca.markets/t/403-for-paper-trading/14118/1 "2024-04-30T19:43:09Z")

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I created a new broker account with **NOT kyc passed**. Issued new api key and tried at paper trading. All the endpoints responde 403. I’m trying to use the C# SDK, but anyway, the documentation is giving 403

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**Author:** ![Dan\_Whitnable\_Alpaca](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.alpaca.markets/dan_whitnable_alpaca/32/1658_2.png) [@Dan\_Whitnable\_Alpaca](https://forum.alpaca.markets/u/Dan_Whitnable_Alpaca)\
**Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 8:22pm UTC](https://forum.alpaca.markets/t/403-for-paper-trading/14118/2 "2024-04-30T20:22:42Z")

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@Lazaro_Armando First, a question. Will you be developing an app for trading a single account (eg your personal trading) or are you a broker developing an app to manage all your clients accounts? Only if this is an app to trade client accounts as a broker should you be using a ‘broker account’ and the sandbox. You want to simply open a regular account at [Alpaca – Crypto, Stock Trading API](https://app.alpaca.markets/account/login), create API keys, and then use any of the Trading APIs (ie not the Broker APIs. If you plan on using the C# SDK, I believe that only supports the Trading APIs.

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**Author:** ![Lazaro\_Armando](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.alpaca.markets/lazaro_armando/32/6074_2.png) [@Lazaro\_Armando](https://forum.alpaca.markets/u/Lazaro_Armando)\
**Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 11:08pm UTC](https://forum.alpaca.markets/t/403-for-paper-trading/14118/3 "2024-04-30T23:08:09Z")

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Thanks for your answers @Dan_Whitnable_Alpaca. I’m opting for a broker account to provide paper trading accounts. So, I think I need some extra steps here.

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**Author:** ![Dan\_Whitnable\_Alpaca](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.alpaca.markets/dan_whitnable_alpaca/32/1658_2.png) [@Dan\_Whitnable\_Alpaca](https://forum.alpaca.markets/u/Dan_Whitnable_Alpaca)\
**Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 1:06am UTC](https://forum.alpaca.markets/t/403-for-paper-trading/14118/4 "2024-05-01T01:06:41Z")

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@Lazaro_Armando Currently the Broker APIs do not support paper trading. The sandbox is only for initial testing and not production. However, anyone can sign up for a paper trading account. What is it you are wanting to do?

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**Author:** ![Lazaro\_Armando](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.alpaca.markets/lazaro_armando/32/6074_2.png) [@Lazaro\_Armando](https://forum.alpaca.markets/u/Lazaro_Armando)\
**Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 1:18am UTC](https://forum.alpaca.markets/t/403-for-paper-trading/14118/5 "2024-05-01T01:18:08Z")

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Ok, I’m already making some test using the paper and the C# SDK, thanks to your help.